Comments on: Is a GUI a Document?

By: Luke Hoersten

Luke Hoersten — Tue, 15 May 2007 05:22:09 +0000

can there be an adequate development model?

Of course, the current big wig tools (php, ruby, etc) are retrofitted with frameworks and if you've worked with any of that at all... the development model is pretty damn good.

I don't think HTML was originally designed with dynamic user interfaces in mind but surely was designed with the idea of displaying as many types of unforeseeable documents as possible. That's the beauty of it.

By: Luke Hoersten

Luke Hoersten — Tue, 15 May 2007 04:22:09 +0000

I thought the same thing when I read about his software being unintuitive… that just means he’s a bad programmer =) . The article that he was commenting on, though, did talk about developing a nicer programming model for this new type of “dynamic document” (to quote myself). If you think about it, all the current languages pretty much predate the popularity of AJAX so how can there be an adequate development model?

Of course, the current big wig tools (php, ruby, etc) are retrofitted with frameworks and if you’ve worked with any of that at all… the development model is pretty damn good.

I don’t think HTML was originally designed with dynamic user interfaces in mind but surely was designed with the idea of displaying as many types of unforeseeable documents as possible. That’s the beauty of it.

By: Logan Buesching

Logan Buesching — Tue, 15 May 2007 02:10:45 +0000

Just because you understand one technology, and can develop well in it, doesn't mean that another technology you don't know very well cannot produce as-good results!

I do agree that a web browser, and HTML was not initially designed to be as dynamic as a user interface, but things are evolving, which is why we are getting AJAX/JSON/CSS/X[ML|SL].

By: Logan Buesching

Logan Buesching — Tue, 15 May 2007 01:10:45 +0000

I just read that article, and I have to call bullshit on some of his reasonings. Saying that web applications respond slower, yes, but that’s because AJAX/JSON is new technology that hasn’t yet matured. Things will speed up.

Saying that his AJAX applications were buggier and unintuitive? W T F mate? The programs didn’t write themselves. SOMEBODY made them buggy and unintuitive! You can say the same about any Swing/MFC/WinForm/GTK GUI. Just because you understand one technology, and can develop well in it, doesn’t mean that another technology you don’t know very well cannot produce as-good results!

I do agree that a web browser, and HTML was not initially designed to be as dynamic as a user interface, but things are evolving, which is why we are getting AJAX/JSON/CSS/X[ML|SL].